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democrats and maybe some republicans with him? plus mitt romney addresses the naacp to cheers and jeers. other republican nominees have skipped it. so was it worth his time? and it is being haled by some as the answer to the housing crisis. local government seizing underwater mortgages through eminent domain. will that put a stop to foreclosures ? >> i am not proposing anything radical here. i just believe anybody making
over $250,000 a year should go back to the income tax rates we were paying under bill clinton. >> welcome to "the journal editorial report." that was president obama on monday envoking bill clinton in his call to raise taxes on americans making more than $250,000 a year. he says his proposal isn't radical at all. so will congressional democrats and maybe even some republicans follow him off that tax cliff? let's ask "wall street journal" columnist and deputy editor and jason riley and columnist mary annastacia o'grady. mary, we have this huge tax cliff. everybody believes because of the expiring tax provisions there would be a big potential hit in january on the economy. first substantively is it affecting economic growth? >> sure it is. the big word out there is uncertainty. people feel uncertain. by the way you said $250,000. that's for a couple.
it is actually $200,000 for individuals. there are a number of democrats who say that is way too low. if you are going to raise taxes on people which this is baskly a tax increase -- this is basically a tax increase. the other problem is that people look at the lack of a permanency. he says i am going to extend this for one year. >> of course those under $250,000 for one year. >> and that leaves you wondering how is he going to pay for this huge deficit? one year is not going to -- it is not over after a year. if he is re-elected i am pretty sure my taxes are going up, the taxes on my small business are going up, the cost to pay for obama care will put a bigger burden on it. it is making investors hold back. >> this is the paradox, dan, why do this if you are the president if as mary suggest had, and i agree with mary, but it is affecting the economy negatively, why do this if it is going to hurt the economy between now and
november? >> i don't think he cares. honestly, paul, i think it is purely a political ploy to re-elect him president. they have obviously polls -- >> how can it help him if the economy is going down? >> you tell me. what trumps that in their mind is the fact they have done polling that shows these attacks on the wealthy and the idea that his proposal to raise taxes on the wealthiest are polling out in the country and in the swing states, end of story. as long as he can get it across the goal line, i don't think he cares how much economic wreckage -- >> if you ask people, raise taxes on the rich guy or me, which do you prefer? you always say the rich guy. >> there was an abc news washington post poll out recently that showed that on the issue of taxes where republicans usually out perform democrats romney and the president are performing evenly. now if the president's internal polls are also showing that, perhaps that em
boldened him to go forward with this tax plan. i think he thinks the american people trust me more on this issue. i can play this class warfare card and perhaps it will get me past november. >> is that a failure though of mitt romney's ability to make the tax argument? historically they have had a big tax advantage. particularly when they say i will raise taxes on somebody. >> paul, people out there with every passing week more people start paying attention to a presidential election. it is july. i think people are getting nervous about the substance of what obama has proposed. he gives the speech and he talks about millionaires ought to pay their fair share. we are talking about people making 200,000 or 250,000. that is the upper middle class. those are not wealthy peach. not wealthy people. it is sinking in that that proposal touches the middle class. it is the level st -- it is the level the middle class can
aspire to. you may be able to earn a million, but you can earn $250,000. >> we were going back to the bill clinton tax rates. it ignores the fact that under his health care bill there will be a 3.8% surcharge new on investment income. so that means capital gains will go up 60%. the dividend rate could triple to 45% to 15%. that has to have an impact on stocks, for example. >> this president is making a bet that his narrative about how the economy works which is that rich people don't pay their fair share and they exploit the working class. he is betting the farm on that narrative. >> but economics is out here. he is basically saying tax cuts to promote consumption -- tax rates on investment of savings don't matter. but isn't all consumption a function ultimately of savings and investment?
>> again i think as you said to dan, i think this is a failure of the romney campaign. without somebody counteracting the argument i think it may be easy for the president who is a much better political animal than mitt romney to make the case that somehow you are not getting what you deserve because the rich are taking it. >> it is also a question whether republicans will stand their ground here. two years ago they did, and he was forced to extend the bush tax cuts across the board. will they do that again? >> well, so far, jason, they have. they have basically been saying, look, this is a big, big tax increase on small business. they have been making the argument that dan and mary have made. they say it can have a negative impact on the economy. so far i don't see any breaks in the lines here. in fact, some of the democrats in the senate have demonstrated some real skiddishness about voting for a big tax increase. one of the reasons obama did this now was to basically co
hua less the democrats. a lot of those democrats who are running for re-election try to keep them united behind hi i mean, what is the evidence -- i mean i guess the question is will the growth argument trump the equity argument? >> sure, what are we expecting, 2% growth for the rest of 2012? >> if we are lucky. >> is that going to help accelerate economic growth? i don't think so. i hope the republicans can make that argument. >> all right, folks, thanks very much. when we come back, mitt romney where you wouldn't expect him. he dared to speak to the liberal naacp this week. was it a mistake? so anyway, i've been to a lot of places. you know, i've helped a lot of people save a lot of money. but today...( sfx: loud noise of large metal object hitting the ground) things have been a little strange. (sfx: sound of piano smashing)
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and so to do that i am going to eliminate every nonessential expensive program i can find. that include os bough ma care, and -- that includes obama care, and i will work to save -- >> [boo]. >> well, he was booed for that comment, but cheered for others. mitt romney went where other presidential candidates have not dared, to the naacp's annual convention. was it worth his time? dan? good idea or bad idea given the reception he got? >> you know, paul, i don't intended toas intended, and i elicit those boos, but i think romney has benefited from doing this. first, he made a good faith effort to speak to them. i think he is getting credit for that. i think actually the booing in an odd way is causing him to gain some support out there with voters. i am beginning to get the feeling that mitt romney is being to gain some traction in
the general electorat. >> why are the boos good? >> boos are not good. some voters are recenting the fact that he was booed the way he was. he really did give it straight forward. he didn't say if on the first day i am elected i will reputiate obama care. it was part of a sentence. 24r* are voters starting to get upset not merely this, but the overall negativity of the obama campaign. >> jason, does the naacp represent now most black americans? >> no, it doesn't. and it hasn't. not the interest of most black americans. and it hasn't for quite some time. it is an arm of the democratic national -- >> it has a history through the civil rights movement. >> yes, but that's history. >> what is the agenda today? >> whatever the democratic party's agenda is. that's the problem. you mentioned other presidents not doing this. but george w. bush did it, john mccain did it and presidential candidates did it.
i think republicans need to end this tradition of appearing before the naacp to try and reach black voters. the type of black voters who may be open to voting republican are not at naacp conventions. you can go into communities and visit churches and visit small businesses. you can visit charter schools and so forth. you can advertise on black radio and black television programming. that's how you can reach people. there is no need to go before groups like this and try and seek black votes that way. i don't think it has been a very good strategy. >> what about getting credit? does he get credit foregoing into the liberal group like this saying, look, here is my argument on health care. here is my argument on education. get credit for bravery for reaching out and saying these are my convictions. you need to hear these. >> i just think his time and effort would be better spent on more persuadable people than who he is addressing there. he said all of the right things. >> amazing.
>> the national rate is 8.2%. >> he talked about how president obama's policies are not helping matters. he talked about school of choice. poor black parents love school choice. the naacp doesn't. they love what the unions love, and the union loves what the democrats love. >> there was no way hay could win here. he doesn't go he is ignoring the black community. he goes and he is confronting them with things they don't want to hear. i agree with jason. this doesn't rent the interest of -- this doesn't ript the interest of -- represent the interest of anybody. i thought he was great to talk about things like the fact that candidates cannot have it both ways. you can't talk about reform and education and protect the status quo of special interest. i am sure that hurt a lot of people in the establishment community. i thought it was something he really had to say regardless. by the way, if you listen to the whole tape, the boos were just one small part, and there were a number of times where there were people applauding what he said.
>> mitt romney was not the only visitor to the naacp. we had a couple of obama visitors, joe biden and eric holder. let's listen to the attorney general. >> many would have to travel great distances to get them. some would struggle to pay for the documents they might need to obtain them. we call those poll taxes. >> jason, poll taxes, insydney year language echoing of the pre civil rights era. >> this is evidence that the obama campaign is worried about black turnout. they are trying to scare black people to the polls with rhetoric like this. there is no evidence that voter id laws have suppressed black turnout in any election anywhere. >> in fact texas provides free voter election certificates if you need them. you don't even have to pay for them. >> they are scared. black voter registration is down from its 2008 levels. obama is not worried that blacks are going to vote for republicans. he is worried they will stay
home. she trying to get them out to the polls. he is throwing out red meat like this to do it and it is a shame. >> let's note vice president biden as well. he went before the naacp and said can you imagine what a romney attorney general might be? can you imagine a rom nay head of the civil rights division might be considering all of those rights that you people hold dear? this is race baiting in 2012. it is amazing to think you will run for president on that basis right now. but they are doing it. >> doesn't seem to be paying a price for it politically so far. >> not so far, but as jason points out, i mean it is not something that people don't appreciate. they can see through it, and the thing is when barack obama ran in 2008 he was appealing to all-americans because of the fact that he refused to do that kind of race baiting. >> to the better angels of our nature and they are in hibernation. when we come back, cities hit
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produced some awful ideas, but this one might be the worst. hit hard by foreclosure, san bernadino county, california and two of its largest cities are considering eminent domain to seize underwater mortgages. "wall street journal" editorial board member is here with the details. mary, when most think of eminent domain they think of a city seizing homes to build a highway or bridge or some public space. how would eminent domain work in this case?
>> this company called mortgage resolution partners in san francisco says we have mortgages worth more than the value of the homes in these california municipalities. let's take that mortgage from the private investor and refinance it so it will reduce the prin pal amount. and then we hillary package it with a government guarantee and sell it to other private investors, and that will fix the housing market jie. who are the winners ? obviously the investors who get the mortgages would be a winner. the city might be a winner because they would argue, well, we have few youer foreclosures and prevent more foreclosures and less neighborhoods in trouble. what about the homeowner? >> it is a free lunch. the homeowner was underwater and magically they are not. but this has very, very serious consequences. >> we are talking about a lot of winners here. who are the losers? >> well in the immediate term, the holders of the mortgage are the losers. so that is pension funds, miewmpule funds and even fan knee and freddy. they are u.s. taxpayer backed
because the value of the mortgages is going to fall. >> this is private property they are seizing. >> it is taking. remember, paul, in the long-term who in the world would ever invest their private capital in the mortgage market if you can't count on contracts ? it will not solve the housing crisis. it will create more problems. >> the constitution says such takings as they are known are legal as long as they are done for a public purpose and with just compensation. on those two points ease specialt -- success specially the compensation poinn -- >> mortgage resolution partners will pay these private investors, so just compensation is in the eyes of the beholder. jay would they determine the price -- >> would they determine the price or the city determine the price of what they pay the mortgage? >> this company in cahoots with the government would determine the price and take the mortgage. just compensation, we don't know. there are a couple of precedents. there was a high high case in the 1980s where the state took property, and that's what
they are pointing to. sims, paul -- i'm sorry, paul, but you can argue for taking an interstate highway, but to take a private mortgage and leave the owner in the house and write down the principal, that is a big constitutional stress. and again, this is going to be in litigation for years. >> if it happens, people will sue. >> and that is going to help the housing market? >> more uncertainty. >> you know, there is a reason this is happening in california. that's because what happens here is mrp will go to a judge in california and say this is what we think the value of the contract is. now, there is a reason why that mortgage has not been sold. it is current. who ever lives in the home is paying the mortgage every month and the bondholder, the person who holds the mortgage thinks, okay, i am going to hold on to this because maybe the property market will come back or maybe this guy will pay all the way through to the maturity of the loan. the mrp is going to take the
mortgage to a judge and say, judge, this is what this home is worth right now. and this is why we want the mortgage written down. since you have activist judges in california they might get away with it. >> what about the implications of this going forward? >> the implications are enormous. it is somewhat analogous to extending the reach of the commerce clause. eminent domain is normally applied to bridges and other dangerrable things. this would be pushing and the taking under eminent domain into assets like mortgage-backed securities and there are no limits if the courts approved this interpretation of eminent domain. >> mary, have you been talking to all of the principals involved in this. do you think this is actually going to happen? >> well, i think it could happen in california. again there are press dents from the california supreme court in hawaii that this mrp is pointing to and trying to convince these city and
municipal officials to look to for justification. >>- >> this happened before in hawaii. >> it did. it didn't have the results the government at the time said it would. politicians want to look like they are doing something here. if there are a lot of winners and the private investors are the losers, it could happen. >> thanks. we have to take one more break. when we come back, hits and when we come back, hits and misses of the week. [ male announcer ] if you had a dollar for every dollar
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to catch every crime. >> thanks. dan? >> a big miss to all of us subject of a medical study this week that said people who sit for three hours a week are cutting two years off their lives. i mean, just two years for sitting? this is horrifying. i am not sure i believe it. i think we need to verify it. i think we should transfer some of the money in global warming studies to get to the bottom of this study. >> mary? >> this is a miss for harry reid who this week said we should burn the olympic -- the u.s. olympic iewn rms to. uniforms because they were made in china. okay, news flash for harry reid, economics is the allocation of scarce resources. now being in government he doesn't understand that, but for the rest of the world, this is something that we have to pay attention to. by the way, john baner has to share th miss because he also has that. >> if you have your own hit or miss send it